由:离子
劳伦·柯林斯合伙人文森& Elkins加入显示,解释通货膨胀减少的税收激励行为站不仅提高可再生能源在美国的部署,但也创造新的税收信贷市场可能会吸引投资基金和散户投资者。柯林斯也强调了能源问题的一个关键领域,爱尔兰共和军不幸的是被忽视的。
主要亮点
3:44——最重要的税收方面的法案——PTC, ITC,独立存储,奖金额度
6点——新技术中立的信用制度和水准的竞争较小的球员
每天上午,信贷灵活性规定(直接支付和可转移性)
12:20 -奖金额度和“叠加”(国内内容,能源共同体和低收入)
十七10——现行工资的规定
19:26 -氢,核能和碳捕获利用和储存(CCUS) ?
23:38——使制造业的空间、矿物质和矿业税收抵免
26:15——爱尔兰共和军是言过其实的哪些方面?
28:21——一个新的产业和市场税收优惠和税收专业人士
29:30——“丢失”的立法
30:27——这方面的立法是飞行在雷达下?传输遗漏了
33:30大胆预测,信贷投资基金进入金融市场…所以做散户投资者!
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成绩单
科林·霍根00:14
大家好,欢迎来到现代SmartPod钱。我是科林·霍根。
肖恩·麦克马洪00:18
我肖恩·麦克马洪说道。
科林·霍根00:20
夏天怎么样,肖恩如何治疗吗?
肖恩·麦克马洪00:22
有趣的是应该问科林,因为今天我加入你的大白鲨
科林·霍根
加拿大?
肖恩·麦克马洪
是的,我在加拿大。我这里有一个家庭。我们目前在维多利亚,不列颠哥伦比亚省,我看渡轮和海飞机和海鸥所有缩放的港口相当棒。我得说,这听起来很酷。实际上,科林,我很高兴我在国外和一些额外英里远离你。因为我必须承认。
科林·霍根00:52
我忏悔将这里发生了什么?
肖恩·麦克马洪
好吧,一开始那么无辜。
科林·霍根
天真地开始。
肖恩·麦克马洪00:59
看,我是记录一集我们的可再生能源智能吊舱。我加入了劳伦·柯林斯。她是一个律师事务所的合伙人文森和Elkins。
科林·霍根01:06
哦,是的,伟大的人民。所以发生什么事了?
肖恩·麦克马洪01:10
的主题是可再生能源,就像我说的,和所有的粗糙的税收抵免的通货膨胀削减行动。所以劳伦,我有一个很好的谈话。她分享各种各样的专家见解。一件事导致另一个。和我们谈论那些税收减免和税收激励如何创建新的类型的金融产品和市场。
科林·霍根01:31
哇,这是现代钱的东西。你欺骗了我?
肖恩·麦克马洪
是的。那是一次意外。我发誓。
科林·霍根
没有我你谈论现代的钱。你怎么能这样做呢?
肖恩·麦克马洪01:44
我知道,我知道这是错误的。我很抱歉。或者我猜因为我在加拿大,我应该说对不起。我不是故意去做。只是你的曾经拥有。
科林·霍根01:52
只是你的曾经拥有。好的,这是值得吗?
肖恩·麦克马洪01:56
你是什么意思?这是值得吗?
科林·霍根01:59
我的意思是,劳伦·柯林斯让你更聪明的影响通货膨胀减少站采取行动对金融市场吗?
肖恩·麦克马洪02:07
当然她做到了。劳伦是rad。她谈到生产税收抵免,投资税收抵免,和一群新的奖金税收抵免中包含该法案。她也谈到了直接支付,税收抵免的可转让性。你知道一天可转移性可能会导致新的投资基金关注税收抵免。他们甚至可能为散户投资者开始交易税收抵免在他们的应用程序和手机,就像罗宾汉。
科林·霍根02:33
嗯。好吧,这听起来像你们两个有了相当的对话。
肖恩·麦克马洪
我们确实。
科林·霍根
没有我。
肖恩·麦克马洪
是的,我想。
科林·霍根
好吧,我们可以听到了吗?
肖恩·麦克马洪02:44
当然可以。我不想让我们之间的秘密,科林,我想和你们分享我们所有的听众劳伦和我讨论。但首先,这里有一个快速从今天的事件的赞助商。离子。
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肖恩·麦克马洪03:45
大家好,谢谢你加入我为今天的事件。我很高兴把劳伦·柯林斯,劳伦律师事务所的合伙人文森和Elkins。劳伦,你今天要做什么?
劳伦·柯林斯03:54
做的好。谢谢你邀请我,肖恩。
肖恩·麦克马洪03:56
你是一个税务专家。所以我认为一切在华盛顿这些天,你一直很无聊,不谈论很多,你知道的,没有太多的消息在你的世界。对吧?
劳伦·柯林斯04:04
我会说过去的两周半,可能是我职业生涯的繁忙,这是大实话。我的意思是,大量的电子邮件和电话和问题。和兴奋已经势不可挡。我会对你诚实,但所有美好的事物。你知道,真正最令人兴奋的时期之一,你知道,我们说这是,这将是最具有历史意义的立法之一在这个国家气候政策。所以超级兴奋。
肖恩·麦克马洪04:39
太好了。好吧。好的,让我们进入它。很明显,我们将今天讨论税收方面。这个法案是充满各种各样的奖励,我想听到你的。你知道,这是最大的税收方面的什么比尔至于可再生能源?
劳伦·柯林斯04:51
确定。我马上开始。我的意思是,我觉得最大的方面是可再生能源税收抵免和我们看到的变化扩展传统的税收抵免,我曾与我职业生涯的大部分时间。我谈论的延伸生产税收抵免,基本上通过2032年,如果不是后,我们也看到投资税收抵免相同时间的基础上扩展。我们可以得到更多的细节。但基本上,涉及到一个扩展当前的优惠到2025年。然后过渡到这个很酷的技术中立的信用制度,让我们到2032年。和超越纳入添加一个独立的存储税收抵免,我们没有过去,之前,你必须基本上让你存储集成可再生资产资格,它基本上是一个屁股痛。这个新法案给了我们一个用于存储更多的灵活性,我不需要告诉你很重要对我们的网格。还有扩展45问碳捕获,减少二氧化碳排放,显然非常重要对我们国家和环境作为一个整体。 And the amount of the credits are really expanded, they have these new bonus credits, which are novel in this legislation, and you can kind of stack them on top of each other. So the amount that you’re getting back and as an investment in these technologies, is really hyped up. So it’s going to bring that much more capital in for people that are interested in doing these deals. But maybe they haven’t made sense economically, this legislation might turn the corner on that and make it so that they start to look attractive.
肖恩·麦克马洪06:56
这是伟大的听。所以有什么在可再生能源领域,你知道,太阳风,你提到的电池,有行业受益更多?
劳伦·柯林斯07:04
所以这项立法最酷的地方,因为我认为它平衡了竞技场的一份体面的工作,对于很多技术。正如我提到的,这种新技术中立的信用制度。这是已经提出了很长一段时间,在过去的几年,但是从来没有真正进入立法。目前的基本思想是,这些产品已经写的方式,有一个列表的非常具体的项目和技术资格,也许10左右的事情,每个人都有这样的生产税收抵免和投资税收抵免,我们不得不满足这种狭隘的定义可再生项目,政府选择了喜欢的税收优惠制度,这个新的立法和新技术中立的信贷,特别是2025年开始摆脱的列表。所以没有更多的像,你知道,清单10左右的技术。,相反,所有你要做的就是我不应该说你所建立,因为很难,但是你要建立的是你有一个零温室气体排放速率。当然诸如太阳能和风能,没有温室气体被推迟这些技术,他们的资格。但是有很多其他东西可以晋级,我们甚至不知道,正在开发的,,你知道,人们更聪明比我一直在努力创新,和可能是一块大的我们在未来能源结构。所以挑选赢家和输家,它允许市场和创新者和企业家提出技术和仍然得到的好处这些税收抵免,使他们更经济,和可能是一个改变游戏规则的能源。所以我认为这是正确之举为政府,你知道,我认为这是一个聪明的立法,你知道,市场参与者也可以谈谈,因为我认为有大量的水准场上的人想进入这个行业。 And, you know, that really comes with the credit flexibility that the legislation has incorporated. So basically, you don’t need to be a huge sponsor developer to take advantage of these tax credits. There’s new provisions in there that would allow smaller developers to monetize tax credits and people that want to invest in these types of industries and projects, who hadn’t been able to in the past can now enter the market in a way A does not so burdensome or expensive to do.
肖恩·麦克马洪帕克
什么方面的灵活性法案的样子?有什么门槛,仍然需要得到满足,即使你可以更小?有什么治疗吗?
劳伦·柯林斯11
确定。基本上有两个新的规定,这种信贷的灵活性的想法。有一个直接的支付条款。我们最初看到这在构建更好的行为,介绍了去年晚些时候,这个想法,基本上是相反的对你的收入税收抵免税收责任,它就像一个格兰特,你申报表单与你,你等一段时间,然后政府问题你检查数量,否则你将收到的信贷通胀减少立法行动,他们从原来改变一点,重建更好。基本上,他们有限的,真的只有免税或政府实体。所以,你知道,它不能一般化的,纳税人,你知道,你的正常公司,或者你知道的,一个开发人员的开发一个项目,想赚利润不会能够使用直接支付。但是你可能直辖市或私人股本基金与免税所有者现在可以投资这些项目。然后获得税收抵免,这句话,“从政府直接支付。有免税使用规则的例外碳捕获氢和先进制造业,这基本上是制造业生产信贷。我认为,我认为他们选择这些学分豁免。 In other words, any taxpayer can use them for 45 Q and hydrogen in particular, because it kind of gives those technologies a bit of like a testing period, where we’ll let you do this direct payment. Without, you know, without you having to test out your technology, you can kind of rely on the government to finance you for at least the first five years. And then the direct payment goes away, and you have to come up with another way to finance those credits. But at least you’ve proven your technology by that time. The other ones transferability. This is isn’t as complicated as direct fate. But I think it’s much more powerful. And it may be for that reason, basically, you can sell your tax credits. So the I’m a tax lawyer, primarily have done Tax Equity over the past decade. And you know, the underpinnings of the you know, kind of law in that area, is you cannot sell tax credits. And, you know, we’ve worked so so hard to structure transactions, so they don’t look like a sale of tax credits. And now this legislation comes out, it’s like sell away, you know, final form, find a buyer, pick your price, and sell your credits. So that’s incredibly exciting, not really any limitations on that. So if you can generate a tax credit, you can find a buyer, you can sell it.
肖恩·麦克马洪13:16
现在,看着这个法案,还有这个东西叫奖金额度,你可以走我们这都是关于什么吗?
劳伦·柯林斯13:21
是的,当然。所以有三种不同的奖金额度为我们传统的可再生能源的学分,否则你可以堆栈的顶部提供税收抵免。和这三个奖励学分基本上是国内内容奖金,一个能源共同体的好处,和低收入社区的奖金。所以ITC,例如,通常是30%的信用,如果你恰好符合这三个奖金,可能总假设,因为我会解释为什么这将是非常困难的。但是如果你能够ITC爆炸到70%。所以,你知道,政府资助整个整个项目,对吧。所以每一个细节,国内内容你基本上奖金鼓励购买组件在美国制造。基本上,你需要确保所有钢、铁和40%的组件构成,考虑制造商或生产商在美国。这是一个人们可以结构或选择。我知道人与他们的供应商和制造商,试图找出如果他们能有资格在美国是否有足够的东西,他们可以纳入他们的对象,因为你得到额外10%的信贷,这是很多,你知道,这就变成了一个成本效益分析。 If I have to pay X amount more for to be made in the US, but I make x plus y, as the tax credit, I’m going to make that decision and all by in the US. So those conversations are happening, I think that we will need to catch up a little bit, we need more US manufacturing for this to be possible for people to take advantage of on a large scale. But I think we’ll get there. The other two, two bonuses. They’re kind of like get lucky bonuses, you know, do you happen to be located in certain communities, and certainly going forward, people will decide to, you know, maybe make their project in that specific community, but there’ll be a lot of considerations at play. And again, there’s a it’s an energy community bonus, which is one of them. That’s another 10% bonus. And basically, that is a bonus for locating your project in either community that has traditionally been like an oil and gas or mining community, and maybe a coal mine closed within the past 20 years. So if you now install renewable projects there, you’ll get an additional credit, it was also expanded so that it included projects that are located in communities with unemployment above the national average. So you can see basically, they’re they’re incentivizing you to develop or construct your project and an area that needs some revitalize revitalization. Or, and maybe there’s some displaced workers who are working in a traditional energy sector. And now we’re going to bring in a renewable project. And we’re going to, you know, build jobs, you know, high quality, good paying jobs through renewable. So, you know, we’re gonna give folks a 10% additional tax credit for being located in that community. The third one, the low income community bonus, this is only really available for small projects. So it’ll be of limited import for a lot of developers. But certainly, it’ll encourage development in low income communities thing is like a five megawatt limit on those projects. But that can be 10, or 20%, depending on where you’re located. But again, kind of encourages people to bring these projects which bring jobs and revitalize the neighborhood, into certain areas.
肖恩·麦克马洪记上17:52
好的,所以我可以看到你在谈论叠加在一起,它带来的小球员,对了,小项目,和一个低收入社区,你知道,之前的石油和天然气,所有这些事情。这很有道理,
劳伦·柯林斯18:05
这一切与整体的政策目标的水准的竞技场,是正确的。我们不想离开的人。我们不想留下或社区,或工人,流离失所,继续,你知道,这些这些伟大的行业,提供高薪,你知道,质量工作。我不能忽视,有一些添加要求很多税收抵免的劳动。基本上,他们需要,如果你想要完整的信用,你必须支付劳动者和力学构造,和操作和维护项目,普遍工资,基本上像戴维斯培根工资。劳工部使它基于位置的。确保,你知道的,我们不只是给予税收抵免巨大的开发者,我们确保他们支付的人,他们做的好的工作发展这些项目,流行的或好的生活工资,你还必须雇佣学徒在这些项目的开发建设。这是确保我们支付人,我们训练的人,你必须这学徒计划的一部分,在这个国家是可用的。所以引入更多的工人褶皱和培训他们,你知道,再一次,在这样的,你知道,伟大的新兴产业。
肖恩·麦克马洪19:42
我们马上就回来。
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肖恩·麦克马洪20:22
现在回到我和劳伦·柯林斯从文森和Elkins交谈。现在好了,你前面提到的45问和氢。所以我想谈谈这项法案如何影响这样的领域,你知道,氢,CCUS,和核,你知道,它是如何对待这些技术?因为我们花了很多时间讨论风能和太阳能电池,但是,你知道,是什么治疗?和那些领域?
劳伦·柯林斯20:43
是的,这还有待观察,正确的。喜欢,我认为这些技术,你知道,碳捕获已经存在了相当长一段时间,正确的。我认为,有一个公平的技术,不过,它当然有空间去成长氢核,你知道,我,我不会尝试猜一下,你知道,有多大的影响,就会产生影响。交易,我们一直在做,你知道的,特别是在今年氢空间,基本上走不走,取决于这种立法实施。你知道,什么,这是一个月曼钦说你不会对任何类型的气候变化立法进行表决。所有这些交易走了,你知道,人们认为他们会回到他们的角落,舔拭伤口,找出他们要做什么。所有这些交易到现在回来。现在,你知道,这些发展阶段氢项目,有一个希望,你知道,他们现在可以经济,因为有这个潜力强大的税收抵免。如果我确信它将导致氢项目开发,否则不会被开发。我希望这是一个大量的氢项目,我们将会看到。 Nuclear. I mean, this is another one where I’ve been doing this for a decade, never seen a nuclear deal. You know, I’m sure people have done them. I haven’t seen them. But now with this credit, I think we’re gonna see them, you know, I certainly hope that we see them, I hope we see them in the near term, I think nuclear, you know, is and should be an important part of our energy mix. It’s done responsibly. So hopefully, it resurrects that market a bit. And, you know, again, with things like transferability of their credit, I think it makes it more economic, and opens up the market for people that might be interested in investing in nuclear. And then as far as carbon capture, I mean, certainly people were doing carbon capture deals on the basis of the existing credit that had been in place for a while now. But the legislation increases the amount of the credit significantly, and it lowers the threshold for when you qualify for the credit. So not only do you get more credit, but there’ll be more projects that can qualify more easily. So expand the scope of projects that otherwise wouldn’t qualify, or, frankly, we were having to like over structure or spend a lot of legal time and analysis to figure out if we could shoehorn them and one of the, you know, various rules. Now the path to qualification is a lot easier. So it’s the same thing deals that were kind of on the fringes or development stage projects that may maybe they didn’t kind of pencil out, now we can go back to the drawing board, rerun the numbers, and those deals start to work again. So you know, all of this is to say is, I think the legislation will do what it’s intended to do, which is encourage and promote development in these areas. So that we’re not just reliant on solar and wind and traditional energy sources. Because if you look at product, you know, projections of our energy needs in this country, we will not have enough if that’s all we’re relying on. We need to have a really mixed, you know, stream and source of energy, if we’re going to have any chance of meeting our needs, and doing so in a responsible manner to
肖恩·麦克马洪24:38
现在我们都听到了很多,你知道的,供应链的问题,你知道,你知道的担忧不断加剧,贵金属和他们的可用性。所以这个法案如何解决制造业和矿物质。
劳伦·柯林斯24:47
所以有一个,一个大的,非常重要的条款是针对这个想法,特别是国内制造。生产和开采矿产。这是先进制造生产税收抵免。从本质上讲,这这提供了如果你制造生产或我的,或者某些可再生能源组件是某些矿物质,这些技术被用于在美国,然后你卖给他们或者他们合并成一个更大的组件或设备,每个组件或税收抵免,单位的矿物的开采和生产。所以,你知道,我们在与人交谈,你知道,制造商和矿工,这很有趣,你知道,我不认为我将在客户端调用与矿工。但你知道,我们到了。基本上,他们正在采取离岸操作,并将它们移动到我们。这些就像实时住我们的对话,因为这立法和贷款,使其吸引力。所以增加国内制造业的政策目标,使劳动力市场更有竞争力在这些类型的制造业和采矿业工作,在过程中,你知道,我看到积极的运动在这一领域,这是非常令人兴奋的。和最重要的是,这个重要的制造业生产税收抵免,还有鼓励人们购买这些东西。 So the manufacturers get a credit from the government when they produce it. And then on the flipside, the buyers of these various renewable components and facilities, they get an additional tax credit if they’re buying that stuff that has been made in the US. So there’s a two sided benefit for both parties. So it really incentivizes the entire market to find a way to make us manufacturing work.
肖恩·麦克马洪常例
好了,现在,我希望你能退一步这里很快。而且,你知道,你已经覆盖部门和工作在一个部门,我应该说,多年来,年复一年。我相信你遵循这个立法的方式,你知道,在媒体上谈论和写。有什么方面的如痴如狂,你认为是吗?
劳伦·柯林斯31
哦,希望你可以告诉我很兴奋。就像如果有人炒作,我完全有罪。我认为你会听到很多人说直接支付和可转让性条款过头了。我,你知道的,我看过很多东西的新闻报道,你知道,他们真的是有益的,他们可能很难管理,你仍然会有一些残留,你知道,夺回reCAPTCHA其他负债,人们需要担心吗?是的,当然。无论什么。不。当你读到的东西,总是检查你的来源。我感觉如此多的时间,这是,你知道,像我这样的税收权益律师扔水这些项目。我认为这是一个错误。 I do think that these programs are going to be incredibly important. I don’t think they’re being overhyped. So I’m answering your question in the negative. But I think that, you know, as with the legislation, providing a more expansive set of rules for types of projects that qualify, you know, we also have an expanded set of people who want to be involved or will want to be involved because of this legislation. And I think there’s going to be room for everyone. So the traditional Tax Equity structures that I’ve been doing for a decade, they will continue, there’s a huge place in the market for that. It’s an important source of financing. It’s a pretty efficient source of financing. So I think, you know, folks like me, who have built their career on it can sleep easy at night, no need to panic. But there’s also going to be this whole other developing, basically, industry and marketplace for tax credits. And I think we need to make sure that we’re being innovative. And, you know, tax lawyers in particular, we can’t get stuck in this, you know, one track mindset of, we like tax equity, let’s stick with it. No, I think we need to be innovative. I think we need to think about ways to make direct pay and transferability work, because if we can get it to work, I think it only helps the industry and the marketplace. And you know, just as a human being like our client MIT and the world. So I think we need to spend a lot of time focusing on it. I will say there’s there is an important limitation. I think that the the legislation wanted to make it easier for tax exempt and like state and local governments to invest, as we talked about earlier, they they’re able to do direct payment of the credits, which I think was it was an important, you know, goal, and a smart move on the part of the government. But there’s a missing piece in the legislation that I think is going to make it hard for private equity, which is typically, you know, oftentimes how tax exempt actually invest in these things. To actually use that direct pay. I think there’s a legislative fix that that we should explore, that could tamp down some of the ability for tax exempt and kind of Munis to invest. I don’t think it’s insurmountable. But it will take some work on behalf of, you know, tax lawyers, maybe lobbyists to try to get those rules to work in such a way that they were intended.
肖恩·麦克马洪31:12
劳伦,你认为私人股本的人群被排除的立法吗?
劳伦·柯林斯31:18
我永远不会显示。我认为他们做得很好。
肖恩·麦克马洪31:23
明白了。好吧。好吧,我将最后一个问题。就把它翻转。所以有这个法案吗?你知道,这是巨大的,这是,你知道,3700亿美元的气候方面。有碎片的是飞在雷达下你认为可以有更大的影响吗?然后人们明白吗?是的,
劳伦·柯林斯31:39
我会说出我的想法是,失踪,我不认为人们关注不够。这是缺乏任何形式的传输税收抵免,建成后更好的立法有一个传输税收抵免,并没有使其进入爱尔兰共和军。我不知道这似乎是一个极大的错误。你知道,我不想夸大它。但这似乎有勇无谋的难以置信的立法,据说会导致你知道,大量的资本,两次或五次安装可再生资源。金博宝188和我们的输电网不会升级。我的意思是,你知道,这是怎么回事呢?你知道,我善良,我不是一个工程师。但你知道,只是坐着看的类型约束我们的输电网。我担心我们创造了这项立法。 That sounds great. But how do we actually get the energy to our homes, on our current grid, we do have the standalone storage tax credit, I know that will encourage more storage to be developed. That’ll be a piece of the puzzle. But we’ve got to figure out this transmission thing. We need to incentivize people to upgrade the transmission grid, find ways to make it economic, you know, provides, there’s like some grants in there, they’re kind of throw away. I don’t think they do much. We need more transmission attention. In order for this to actually kind of play out the way we hope it will. That kind of related thing is there’s a solar PTC option. So previously, if you are developing a solar project, you are going to take an investment tax credit on it. Now you have an option of switching to a production tax credit. And I think a lot of people will will make that election, you know, we’re hearing as much as two thirds of solar projects will probably be a solar PTC deal. Now. I think that could also put some additional constraints on our transmission grid and encourage more negative bidding. So you know, I, you know, I said earlier, I was super optimistic and you know, overhyping things. These are some areas where, you know, there’s not enough attention on they’re kind of missing from the legislation. I hope they’re fixed. I don’t know that we’re gonna have enough time, you know, just with, you know, midterms coming up in the light.
肖恩·麦克马洪34:31
好吧。我们喜欢做的一件事在节目中问客人大胆预测。正确的。所以你有什么大胆的预测,你知道,5年或10年后,当我们回顾如何执行这项立法在现实世界吗?我们将会看到什么?
劳伦·柯林斯34:43
我希望我们看到这个上演我们期待的方式。我的意思是,就像我前面提到的,我想,人们在预测像3.5万亿美元的资本投资。风应该是双,年安装,太阳能就像五次。所以我希望五年后我们回头看,我们喜欢这类型的工作。我们开始看到,你知道,五年后我们应该看到这些项目在服务开始,我们应该开始看到我们的能源结构更加多样化。你知道的,我希望,我们将会看到一些氢项目真的飞离地面。你知道,有项目我们现在致力于一种混合的一切。所以你会有一个重大项目,有风块和一块氢和碳捕获。它从一个状态到下一个。和我们的网格不区分。 I hope. That’s what we see, I think this transmission thing is going to be a problem that that again, worries me, I think we got to figure that out somehow, I think storage may be kind of the gap fill for a while. I also think I keep harping on transferability. Because I think it’s so cool. I think we’re going to see kind of these, like credit funds develop, where basically, we’ll have, you know, a be a fund essentially, buys credits from developers, and it will have a variety of investors who’ve invested in the Fund, and are able to take advantage of tax credits in exchange for their investment. I think they’ll they’ll then be kind of a marketplace for credits, you know, though, I don’t want to do like an ETF for tax credits, but you know, something like that, right. And we’ve been getting a lot of questions of how much are these things gonna go for? How much is a tax credit? What do you think you’re gonna sell it for? I don’t know. They asked the tax lawyers, and then we’re, you know, we’re always like, Yo, you guys, this is people, you, you tell us with our gonna trade floor, it’ll depend on asset type, it will depend on credit worthiness of the sponsor developer, it will depend on the relationship between the parties, but there will be a market for these credits. I’d like to see, you know, folks like you and I being able to invest in credits like this. We can’t right now the way that the rules are written, I, if I’m gonna make a bold prediction, it’s that, you know, within the next five years, they’ll get rid of that limitation. So hopefully, you know, folks like you and I and others who are interested in this industry, we can invest and why not right. You know, if you can invest in cryptocurrency, why not invest in a solar project in Arizona or wind project in West Texas? Or maybe not, but you know, pick your asset, hydrogen, whatever, I think that would be an incredibly cool place for this to go. Now, you can imagine like having an app on your phone of, you know, your fun, where you invest in renewables all over the country. That would be pretty rad.
肖恩·麦克马洪38:09
确实是的,rad。我爱这个词。我一直试图带回这个词。是的,这听起来像听起来像一个相当可怕的未来。嘿,劳伦,我非常感谢你的时间和覆盖。你的见解非常棒。今天谢谢你加入我。
劳伦·柯林斯38:23
我的荣幸。谢谢你！
肖恩·麦克马洪38:27
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